There's Good Pension Advice ... and Then There's Bad Pension Advice

Assuming you still have money left in your pension plan, there are plenty of companies who are more than willing to “help” you invest it and look after it. The problem is, some of these companies don’t necessarily have your best interests at heart!
Recently I had a client come to me about setting up a self-directed pension plan, managed by the special LLC that gave her checkbook control. Not a problem - we do that all the time. She was already with my recommended custodian, which made things even easier.
But then she came back to me after attending a weekend seminar by another company. She’d been told at that seminar that she could be her own custodian, and didn’t need the third party. I was pretty surprised. It’s not that you can’t be your own custodian … but given what’s involved, I don’t understand why anyone would want to.
A custodian is a company that is either approved and regulated by the IRS or is affiliated or owned by a bank or trust company. If it’s the latter, the custodian is still subject to state banking regulations and the FDIC, in addition to IRS regulations.
The role of a custodian is to handle both the administrative functions of a retirement account, as well as the plan’s money. They prepare and file the tax returns and other regulatory paperwork, and make sure that you aren’t engaging in prohibited transactions or working with disqualified parties.
The plans that a qualified custodian offers have all been pre-approved by the IRS, through a determination process. This can be lengthy and expensive - Diane and I estimated the cost to be around $15,000 for this step. Next step is to go through the FDIC and other agencies to become qualified as a custodian. We figured that would be another $5,000 or so, and could take a year or more. There’s going to be a heck of a learning curve regarding the maze of federal and state tax regulations that will govern the plan assets.
Finally, there’s a tax return to think about. A complicated, detailed tax return, that few CPAs are qualified to prepare. We were curious, so Diane contacted someone she knows in the industry. He told her to expect a minimum $5,000 bill, if she could find a CPA willing to do the return.
Now, I’m pretty darned sure that if someone told me I’d have to pay $25,000 or more, take a year out of my life, and embark on what’s amounts to a college degree’s worth of education on tax and pension regulations, I’d probably say “no thanks” and go to a qualified custodian. That makes me pretty sure that the company in question didn’t give my client the whole story.
I’m glad she came to me first, and is in good hands with her existing custodian. But stories like this make me angry. This is someone’s financial future we’re talking about - not some abstract concept. The penalties for screwing up your pension are huge … you could potentially be fined an amount equal to 50% of your pension’s entire value if you enter into a prohibited transaction. I don’t know why anyone would give out this kind of advice.
So, in the words of Sgt. Phil Esterhaus, “Let’s be careful out there.”
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Megan, I’ve seen this happen in many different ways. i think it boils down to a couple of things: First, who do you trust to give you good advice? And secondly, one of the sure fire ways to know you’ve gotten good advice is if the person giving it is willing to put their name on the line.
This has gotten to be one of my major soap boxes. If you go to a seminar and there is a disclaimer, then you need to read it carefully. There will be a disclaimer at my seminar, for example. And the reason is simple. I’ll talk about broad tax strategies from the stage. Does it work for everyone? No. It depends on individual circumstances.
It all comes down to “Just because you CAN do something, it doesn’t mean you SHOULD do something.”
My implementation of a pension and 401K Solo plan (isn’t it great that we can have both!) is somewhat different than what you outline. I would be interested in feedback or pitfalls anyone sees.
Pension plan: 1) My wife and I are the only employees (pure Level 2 “job/business”) 2) We set this up with a pension servicing company that does the required annual actuarial work up and
prepares the annual IRS returns. My wife and I are the trustees of the pension plan. 3) The money is held at two different financial firms - one a traditional broker where we handle our own investments and another with a professional money manager at a large firm. It is my understanding however, that we are “self-directed” in that I can write a check out of either place to buy other investments such as real estate. I would work with the pension servicing company to ensure proper transactions, etc., but they don’t handle the money. Annual fees are about $1300 for actuarial work and return. 4) As I understand Diane’s book on Real Estate / Pension Plan investing (great book!), if I decide to do some investing outside of these financial institutions such as real estate, it would make a lot of sense to have the LLC protection; but I don’t believe I need it for the check book side of the issue, as I could write a check now (but have to be very careful what and whom I involve; so would lean on my advisor for this before acting).
401K Solo: 1) I set up a 401K Solo at the above-mentioned professional money manager. However, I’m currently my own custodian - they just hold and manage the money, but I’m responsible for my own 5500 returns. However, it is my understanding that none are required until total plan assets exceed $250K (for a Solo 401K). At that point I may shift this over to my pension custodian, but the fees are the same, and with no
actuarial work - this seems high to me (ideas?). 2) I believe I could also write a check out of this account as an investment from my 401K given that the financial house is simply investing the money and keeping it segregated as 401K, but the reporting of assets owned, etc. comes down to me…for now.
Wide open to feedback and potholes.
John