Why You Need a Business Structure

Sometimes I feel like I’m beating a dead horse about the need to have a business structure when you hold real estate. I figure I’ve been talking about it practically non stop for 20 years now. Surely everyone has heard it by now?
Then I heard someone saying that “someone” told them they only needed insurance and probably not even that for their property. I ended up going round and round on the issue. There are times I feel like just giving up on it. I want to say, “Fine! Don’t have a business structure. Maybe you’ll be lucky.” But it always bugs me. Well, I heard a story that made me realize how important it is to get this information out…even if people don’t always want to hear it.
Are You Protected if the Unexpected Happens?
This came from a client of mine in Florida and it’s the true story of what happened to him that made him vow to ALWAYS use land trusts and limited partnerships (LLCs would work as well) to hold property.
Early on in his investing career, he and his wife owned an apartment building. There was a news bulletin out! A suspected murderer, presumably armed, had escaped and was in the neighborhood of his apartment. One of his tenants said he’d seen the man and they called the police. Another tenant came forward and told the police that he’d ridden the elevator with the man and he pointed to the apartment that he saw him go into.
The police (along with my client) went to the door. They heard a baby crying inside. They knocked. No answer. They knocked again. No answer. That’s when the decision was tough. They could break down the door, but it was a possible hostage situation with an armed suspected murderer and a baby.
That’s when my client said, “I have a key!” And he gave the key to the police. They used the key to go inside.
It turns out it wasn’t their suspect. Not only that, the tenant (a single mom) was furious. She said she’d been harassed by my client by unlawfully giving the key to her apartment to the police and so she sued him for one million dollars.
She got a pain of a lawyer and my client called his insurance company. They brought in their lawyers as well…focused on how it wasn’t their fault. At one point he spent day after day with 3 lawyers at $300 per hour (that he paid for). In the event, the insurance company settled with the tenant and it all went away.
Why did he fight so hard? He had EVERYTHING he owned at risk because he had no business structure in place.
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Thanks for the reminder — it still is good for us to hear common-sense reminders even if we’ve heard it before and, in fact, has spurred a question (surprise) for me: You had mentioned in a past FCL posting what department to call at the lender when you want to change the title of a property out of your personal name and into an LLC (or other structure) name. Can you elaborate on that — how to go about getting a property out of your personal name and into an existing LLC? Thanks - Pittsburgh Mike
Hello! I’m looking for a clarification. I have a condo that I rent. There is no mortgage. My estate attorney recommends to transfer this property into LLC, stating that it will be easier to pass it to my children. My accountant tells me that it is better to hold it in an S corporation to avoid self employment tax. What are the considerations for both? What is the best way to avoid self employment tax for LLCs? I leave in the state of New Jersey. Thank you very much, Elana
Great question. I need to break it down a little because it looks like we’re weighing tax benefit versus asset protection benefit versus estate planning.
Condo rental income will qualify as passive income. Passive income is not subject to self-employment tax. So, the S Corp recommendation based on avoid self-employment tax really isn’t necessary. An S Corp is a great structure for BUSINESS, but you seldom use it for holding real estate.
An LLC, set up correction and maintained, is a great way to provide asset protection.
I’m guessing your attorney is also going to set up a Living Trust for you. This allows your estate to pass your property on to your heirs and completely avoid probate time and cost. The Living Trust, in this case, would own the shares of the LLC. You are the trustor, trustee and current beneficiary of the Trust, so it all flows through to you.
Does that similar to what the attorney is proposing?
Thank you for your comments. On an LLC and S corp. issue I still have a question. Lets say it is a apartment building or any larger property. You have your property title in LLC with S corp. as a maintenance company. You have your passive income coming to LLC. And asset protection - in case something happened on the property the S corp is liable. Perfect layout. Does this scenario work for my condo ? Do I have to keep condo in LLC and create a separate company for handling property and its tenants? If yes what about the cost of having to maintain two companies?
As far as Trust set up, I’m still working with my attorney to get clear picture of the benefits. So far, I have information that in the state of New Jersey the probate does not take long, but the death taxes is a big consideration and has be handled correctly.
You can definitely do what you propose. My only hesitation would be that you have two business structures to set up, maintain and pay for. I don’t know if the additional asset protection would be worth it.
I worry more that you have your property free and clear. if there was a judgement and they could get to the LLC with it, they could take any assets in the LLC - which means a free and clear condo.
You might think about getting a Line of Credit on the condo. It would record on the property but you don’t have to draw it down (so there is no loan, just the possibility of a loan). That way if somebody did a title search (looking to see if you had some assets in the LLC) it would show up as a recorded loan.
Just an idea….
Diane,
I’m a new subscriber to FCL and love all the informative content on your site. My question deals with current tax advantages of rental property. I’ve searched the site but would like a simple refresher on tax advantages our investment group may enjoy. We recently purchased a coastal property in South Carolina and placed it in an LLC. Since the rental season is just starting we’re not sure if the property will be cash flow positive, but I would like to know what tax advantages each member of the LLC may enjoy. Currently I own another small business and my adjusted gross is under 100K if that’s of any consequence. Any clarity you could give on the situation would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,
A new disciple.
Hi Buckeye
Great idea for a thread on the FCL forum. I’ll get something started tonight or tomorrow morning.
I’ll see you in the forum!